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| | Conversation with Deborah (SillyLeslie) part 2 |  |  | | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 (1:39 PM) |  | -----Original Message----- From: SuburbanRider Date:11/23/2008 7:29:41 AM To:SuburbanRider Subject:RE: Deborah The second part of my journey into a different way of thinking started at the age of 29. That is when I asked God "if you are out there and you are real then show me" he did and at some time in the future I could continue with that branch off of the story. When I became a Christian I was around many conservative Christians still believing that God was going to send all homosexuals to hell. I even wondered that myself although at the time as a skeptic I would never take what a person said as speaking for God unless I was convinced by scripture. I studied and even became a teacher of doctrine to children preparing to enter the fullness of their faith in God. I saw in the scriptures that God judges each person in the light of what they know and believe. It also says God is a better parent to us than our own parents. What parent would condemn a child for doing something in a wrong manner if you can see the child does not fully understand. A good parent would never do that. We are also not under the law of the Hebrew scriptures. We are led by the power of God's spirit to teach us. That says to me that if a person is gay and does not believe it is wrong they are not held accountable for that as sin. I also as a teacher of Christian doctrine have to leave open the possibility always that I may get a particular point of scripture wrong myself. I am not any more qualified to set myself up to be the voice of God than any other Christian. I still have two issues I have yet to resolve in my mind. There are gay people who struggle because they themselves in being Christians struggle between wanting to have a life long loving relationship and wanting to follow what they themselves see as proper behavior. I also have not yet resolved in my mind that it is objectively a correct behavior as I see scripture at this time. That said I see many of my gay friends showing more love and true character in their lives and day to day behavior than many of my Christian friends. When I first saw Syds video I was going to jump on the bike and turn on the camera and make a response vid. I have thought of this more and the last thing I want to do is bring any hurt or torment to my friends that I love so dearly. My friends that are gay in real life and on here do not seem very anxious to want to talk to me about these things. I can't say I blame them based on past stories about confrontations with friends and family when the situation became known.
I ask you Deborah not from your view point but overall do you think this would be of help or cause pain? I do not want this to be looked at as me putting out a story to get views at the expense of people like you that I care for.
(Big Biker Hugs)
Chuck
Sent: 11/23/2008 9:21:46 AM Subject: RE: Deborah I can't speak to how other people might react to your story and your thoughts, but I find it interesting. I tyhink you should express yourself and relate your experiences. |  |  | 63 Views | 2 Thumbs Up | 1 Comment |  |
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| | Conversation with Deborah (SillyLeslie) part 1 |  |  | | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 (5:59 AM) |  | I received permission from Deborah to post this as I do not post other peoples information ever
without their permission. The text below is unedited copy and paste just as it took place between
us.
-----Original Message----- From: SuburbanRider Date:11/23/2008 6:56:56 AM To:SuburbanRider Subject:RE: Deborah
Ok first off this relates to a vid Syd made over on vloggerheads The big Gay Elephant and hiding behind the bible. I wanted to respond to it as a "Right Wing" "Conservative Christian" point of view. Although like many labels such as this on certain things I skew totally the other direction. I have come a long way in the last 45 years of my life from a point of being brainwashed as a child into hating people because they were gay. To totally changing my view slowly and now looking at my gay friends here and in real life as just friends. I think the brainwashing as a child started with the games on the playground among other boys. We would play and fight and get angry. The favorite "insult" to hurl at each other was "you fag" or "you homo." I only a few months ago on the phone talking to LittleStar realized this. When I was in my mid twenties I became an acquaintance of David through a mutual friend. I really tolerated him until one time he sat down at a restaurant where I was alone and broke down crying telling me about a relationship that had just broke up between him and another guy. I kept staring at him and thinking, this is just the same hurt as a straight guy talking about a girl just leaving him. This has really stuck in my mind to this very day. He did not realize to that very point I was not a good choice and only because I kept to myself my feelings did I get the chance to be there to listen and I believe he was looking for me to just listen as a source of comfort. Anyway that's about half the story let me know when you read it and have time I will continue.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: SillyLeslie Date:11/23/2008 7:03:14 AM To:SillyLeslie Subject:RE: Deborah
This may sound strange to you, but I had to learn to "tolerate" straight people. I came out at a very young age and for many years I thought of myself as a gay woman, not just a woman. I secretly looked down upon straight people. So, here I confess to you that I know of bigotry on a personal level, not only from the times it was directed toward me as a lesbian, but from my own inner feelings about other people. I am happy to say I now view all people as human, gender, color, religion, ethnicity, gay or straight...just humans. We're all in the same boat, it just took me a while to learn that. Thank you for sharing your experience here..I think this topic would make a great blog! |  |  | 82 Views | 6 Thumbs Up | 3 Comments |  |
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